The adventures of Mommy woman
There's a big difference
Published on February 15, 2006 By JillUser In Religion

I think everyone who doesn't consider themselves christian has gotten accused of being antichristian at one time or another.  I have gotten accused many times.  Ironically the accusers are people with some sort of martyr complex who assume that they will be persecuted for being christian.  They take issue with me in anticipation of my taking issue with them.

I am not denying that there are plenty of people on the planet who actually are antichristian.  I just find it odd when I or some of the kindest people I know have been labeled as such.  It isn't a 'you're either with me or against me' subject. 

I am also perplexed as to why so many christians can't fathom anyone believing in God without believing Jesus is his son.  I can understand why they can believe in Jesus not because it makes sense to me but because I am open minded and realize that other people have different experiences in life than what I have experienced in my own.  Those experiences help form how we see the world and how we fit in it.  If you see only your path, your way as being the only way, then you are not open minded.


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on Feb 16, 2006
Jill, isn't it fun

Is that rhetorical? *grins*
on Feb 16, 2006
Hee hee
on Feb 16, 2006

Sorry Jill, I think we were typing at the same time.


I guess REALLY great minds think alike...at the same time

Jill, isn't it fun

Is that rhetorical? *grins*


Good one HC!
on Feb 16, 2006
"If someone wants to believe in the virgin birth and resurrection, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, martians, ghosts, vampires, or any other myth, so be it... whatever gets you through the night. I become anti-whatever when someone thinks they are better than everyone else, simply because of his or her beliefs."


What people also don't understand is that to assume something doesn't exist also takes belief. You don't KNOW there is no Santa Claus, you BELIEVE there is no Santa Claus. You may BELIEVE there was no virgin birth, but don't pretend you *know*.

Since it is all belief, then no one is really better than anyone else. Not the Christian for believing in, and not the atheist for beleiving otherwise. Both are totally subjective, unprovable beliefs. The Atheist that believes he or she is smarter for not believing is no different than a Christian who believes they are better because they believe.
on Feb 16, 2006
What people also don't understand is that to assume something doesn't exist also takes belief. You don't KNOW there is no Santa Claus, you BELIEVE there is no Santa Claus. You may BELIEVE there was no virgin birth, but don't pretend you *know*.


Very true Baker.
on Feb 16, 2006
What people also don't understand is that to assume something doesn't exist also takes belief. You don't KNOW there is no Santa Claus, you BELIEVE there is no Santa Claus. You may BELIEVE there was no virgin birth, but don't pretend you *know*.


I'll agree to that.
on Feb 16, 2006
There is no more proof that the resurrection happened then that Santa exists.


Actually there is. For WIIW, there were eye witnesses. They may not be reliable, depending upon your belief, but there were there.
on Feb 16, 2006
Actually there is. For WIIW, there were eye witnesses. They may not be reliable, depending upon your belief, but there were there.


There are people who have claimed to have seen or even claim to be Santa too. Stories of eyewitnesses still fall under the "myth" category Dr. Guy. Are you really saying there is 'proof' of the resurrection? I don't even know where to start with that one.
on Feb 16, 2006
I am Christian, and I dont think it is my way or the hiway.

No, doc... it's YAHweh or the highway. *grins* Sorry... couldn't resist.
on Feb 16, 2006

Are you really saying there is 'proof' of the resurrection? I don't even know where to start with that one.

I never said proof.  Only evidence. There is a difference. 

on Feb 16, 2006
Are you really saying there is 'proof' of the resurrection? I don't even know where to start with that one.

I never said proof. Only evidence. There is a difference.


You may have MEANT evidence but this is what was written:

There is no more proof that the resurrection happened then that Santa exists.


Actually there is.


But I would still argue that you have no more 'evidence' of the resurrection than others have of Santa.
on Feb 16, 2006
"There is no more proof that the resurrection happened then that Santa exists. "


Do we have non-fictional accounts of seeing the real Santa Claus? We have non-fictional accounts of seeing Jesus after He was crucified, and the one with Thomas who actually saw His wounds.

Not saying that you have to believe them, but the accounts are there. As I said, without accounts you choose to or not to believe, you wouldn't know there was a battle of hastings, either.
on Feb 16, 2006
I just had some thoughts reading thru some of the comments here. First on what Jesus looked like. Scripture makes it clear that he was nothing to look at.

"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant and as a root out of dry gound he has no form nor comeliness and when we shall see him there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isa 53:2

Also the Jewish scribes kept meticulous care of all of the OT books of which Ezra put together and most of which Jesus either quoted from or read from. So the Christians and Jews share more than just the first 5 books. They share from Genesis to Malachi or in the Jewish Bible I believe the last book is 11 Chronicles which is near the front for us. That would be 39 books not just 5.

I agree with Doc about the evidence. What's the diff between evidence and proof by the way?

enjoyed the discussion but am staying away from Santa. I gave that up years ago........



on Feb 17, 2006

Do we have non-fictional accounts of seeing the real Santa Claus?


Yes. I saw the real santa when I was a little child.

It turned out it was actually a neighbour in a mask. But until I learned that the world had a non-fictional account of seeing the real Santa Claus.
on Feb 17, 2006
Ah, Christianity is probably just based on a guy in a Jesus suit, then. Ah, well. I guess I'll try Zorastrianism next...
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