This is a good question Jill.

As I read, this came to mind....

Does a Baker "create" a cake?  If one were to ask him he would say yes.  And it does appear so, after all, he chose when to make it, when to buy the ingredients, the size, etc.

Yet without fire, oven, electricity, he could not produce it.

Even a cave man cake, made on the hot rocks of a burning fire.  Is it created by the baker?  Yes, and no.  Yes his hands gather and mix, but the ground in which the wheat grew supplied it, the rain and sun grew it...

All to say, it is a collaboration.  I believe God knit my children together in my womb.  I did not create my uterus, I certainly didn't put the biology in place to make it possible (ie the stove, harvest, fire), I just used the instruments created by God, at my disposal.  If I were born without a uterus, I could not "create" a child.

So, imo, to say I "created" something which could never be done without God first making it is a stretch.

I think we do 10%, He does 90.  Though I think we got the better end of the er, stick....hahahahahaha.

 

Well...if I go the science route, then yes...parents create their children in every way. Two halves of a complete chromosome set come together and using the nutrients a mother's body provides the egg splits many times and grows into a hollow sphere and from there cells start specializing and growing until an embryo develops and from there...well, ya'll know the rest. I'm not sure if religion has much to do with it....unless you include a soul as part of the process...but the basic biology is carried out by the mother, with just a little help from dad to get things started.

~Zoo

I did create my children, with the help of my husband of course!

God had something to do with it, yes. As Tova said, it's a collaboration however, in the sense that God made humans and made it possible for us women to give birth, however, I created my children and that's that!

God had something to do with it, yes. As Tova said, it's a collaboration however, in the sense that God made humans and made it possible for us women to give birth, however, I created my children and that's that!

I like this one the best.  But will add that God helps in that he gives the child a soul.  OUr biology cannot do that, just create the vessel for the soul.

That's what I was trying to say...in so many words.

~Zoo

I didn't think it was a really valid point in the other discussion. If we didn't question our parents how much awfulness would persist forever? The racism, brutality,e etc. For the same reason we have to question "God", at least the perceptions of God that culture and even our families hand us.

Amen!

and creating a child is a biological process imho. it can be done by a man and a woman "the natural way" or scientists can do it in a labratory. in fact, scientists have created living organisms that didn't even exist previously.

if God created everything (living things)on earth, what about the things that have been created since he did his alleged work? what about the scientists who create bacterias and viruses that did not previously exist? is God still creating stuff? i don't recall that verse in the Bible. according to it, his work was done after eve's creation.

just questions...

This sounds like a case of people wanting to have things both ways. They want to have "free will" yet since God started everything (in this dogma), then he's partly or completely responsible. You're not likely to find a murderer getting off using similar argument - since God had a hand in making the victim exist, and the weapon exist, and the world for the act to occur in, then He collaborated on the murder.

You can't have it both ways, so choose. If you believe in free will, then you created your children. If you believe that your life or any single part of it, soul included (if you're willing to believe in one without pictures), is caused by God, then he gets to take part of the rap for everything you do.

There always seems to be this prevalent attitude that if it's a good thing, then god had a hand in it, but if it's a bad thing, then it's our fault. Reminds me of the comedian that talks about football players that go down on one knee and pray after scoring a touchdown, but you never see the guy that says "Yeah...we were in the game...until Jesus made me fumble. He HATES our team."

i remember that routine,,,funny stuff, and ironically true.

It's always interesting when people want to say some magical super being created something.

Why God? Why not elves and gnomes? Heck, a magical wood fairie created your children.

I don't have a problem with religious people, but I do have a problem with people who express their faith as fact in any sort of haughty sort of way. I'll be as tolerant of their world of make believe as they'll be tolerant of my world of scientific method.

Even in terms of those who believe that God created everything, there's still debate, mainly based upon:



or...



The problem with 'faith as fact' is that down through the ages there have been billions that believe themselves to be the same religion as you, yet differ widely on the terms of such.

God creates the process and the opportunities, and we engage with the process.

Strictly speaking, God doesn’t create babies. All energy already exists, including the souls of those who incarnate in physical bodies. Energies change form and culminate in various ways, to give rise to embryos, fetuses and bodies. When the body dies, the soul continues to express itself in the Spirit World, and the body melds with the earth.